08-07-2017, 04:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-07-2017, 05:06 PM by Westenders.)
Aquavit I totally agree with all you said in your post.
I quite like a charitable services approach in my home city to the homeless and beggars.
As stated on this thread and others they believe that begging and giving to beggars does not help a person to change their situation.
In the UK we have a pretty good welfare state, but the vulnerable struggle with getting into a routine that helps them access this support.
The charity sells food vouchers to us folks who would potentially give to beggars, so instead of giving them cash, you would give them a food voucher (apology for using them as a term) when the person who has been given the food voucher turns up for a meal, the charity has a team of advice and outreach workers who can then support that person to access the right support to make meaningful change.
I love this approach, and it would be great if st. Anthony's or lenbert could evolve to this style of supporting people to support themselves, which is long term more sustainable for all.
Adult illiteracy is still such a profound issue that I am hoping to take a sabbatical in a couple of years and teach workshops for a few months. This is one of my five year goals, not for me, just because I see how this affects people's access to opportunity.
More and more the people we know are leaving Jamaica . Dozens over the last few years. That's not counting those passed away as victims of crime.
Tourists mainly see the begging, but many of us also see the real struggle to survive life in Jamaica. It's not easy' as locals would say.
OT I get your point, you are a great father to your successful family. I see the difference with your point is that you and yours have choice, so pride is not an issue. I can relate, I often feel that one of my greatest gifts is that I also have choice. We are not rich by any means, but we are comfortable.... I also like the value type shops, but if I could only afford to shop in them then I may feel differently. In my line of work, I work with people who could only aspire to shop for anything other than the basics in life.
Pride is definitely a key value of these people who live in poverty.
Thinking back to Jamaica, some folks have the most rundown of houses, but those homes are clean, the children are clean and those yards are swept daily.
To me Jamaica is a poverty trap for many, how the hell do you escape from some of the suffering?
Negril is lucky compared to some areas, especially in country.
Got to start at the top with the ill equipped people running the country, who haven't a clue on how to grow this land.
Cardboard box, I get you on your point. In a country with such dire child abuse stats, tourists on that bus are contributing to in effect ' grooming children' to change their behaviours and risk awareness around strange adults. It's not just developing beggars, not all tourists are good people. People need to stop engaging with children they don't know in this way. How would you / I / we feel if this was our children. It seems like it's not till a child is harmed from a tourist who abuses them, or from falling under lenberts bus wheels will people really stop and think, and then that will be too late.
There is just no big picture thinking from the ill informed and misguided.
Kylake Jon Tom I think the people's revolution was more due to GBs shedding of its colonies. Which I agree with based on the dire history of my country and how it 'acquired' Jamaica.
I really do think that an uprising is necessary, peaceful of course. Jamaica need to look to models of growth in more developed countries and buy in the expertise it is clearly lacking. No more jobs for the boys, just based on party affiliation.
I quite like a charitable services approach in my home city to the homeless and beggars.
As stated on this thread and others they believe that begging and giving to beggars does not help a person to change their situation.
In the UK we have a pretty good welfare state, but the vulnerable struggle with getting into a routine that helps them access this support.
The charity sells food vouchers to us folks who would potentially give to beggars, so instead of giving them cash, you would give them a food voucher (apology for using them as a term) when the person who has been given the food voucher turns up for a meal, the charity has a team of advice and outreach workers who can then support that person to access the right support to make meaningful change.
I love this approach, and it would be great if st. Anthony's or lenbert could evolve to this style of supporting people to support themselves, which is long term more sustainable for all.
Adult illiteracy is still such a profound issue that I am hoping to take a sabbatical in a couple of years and teach workshops for a few months. This is one of my five year goals, not for me, just because I see how this affects people's access to opportunity.
More and more the people we know are leaving Jamaica . Dozens over the last few years. That's not counting those passed away as victims of crime.
Tourists mainly see the begging, but many of us also see the real struggle to survive life in Jamaica. It's not easy' as locals would say.
OT I get your point, you are a great father to your successful family. I see the difference with your point is that you and yours have choice, so pride is not an issue. I can relate, I often feel that one of my greatest gifts is that I also have choice. We are not rich by any means, but we are comfortable.... I also like the value type shops, but if I could only afford to shop in them then I may feel differently. In my line of work, I work with people who could only aspire to shop for anything other than the basics in life.
Pride is definitely a key value of these people who live in poverty.
Thinking back to Jamaica, some folks have the most rundown of houses, but those homes are clean, the children are clean and those yards are swept daily.
To me Jamaica is a poverty trap for many, how the hell do you escape from some of the suffering?
Negril is lucky compared to some areas, especially in country.
Got to start at the top with the ill equipped people running the country, who haven't a clue on how to grow this land.
Cardboard box, I get you on your point. In a country with such dire child abuse stats, tourists on that bus are contributing to in effect ' grooming children' to change their behaviours and risk awareness around strange adults. It's not just developing beggars, not all tourists are good people. People need to stop engaging with children they don't know in this way. How would you / I / we feel if this was our children. It seems like it's not till a child is harmed from a tourist who abuses them, or from falling under lenberts bus wheels will people really stop and think, and then that will be too late.
There is just no big picture thinking from the ill informed and misguided.
Kylake Jon Tom I think the people's revolution was more due to GBs shedding of its colonies. Which I agree with based on the dire history of my country and how it 'acquired' Jamaica.
I really do think that an uprising is necessary, peaceful of course. Jamaica need to look to models of growth in more developed countries and buy in the expertise it is clearly lacking. No more jobs for the boys, just based on party affiliation.