03-15-2015, 06:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-15-2015, 06:20 PM by Westenders.)
Jamaginger...I certainly wasn't referring to a the U.S. embassy alert in my post...I was referring to the Internet sites that are using 'hearsay' and interpreting as fact.
But now you mention it, my question would be what is the breakdown of those stats? Area ie parish figures....and how much of those crimes were against tourists...given my other question of how many tourists report crimes against their person. I was always taught that stats without anecdotal evidence can sometimes be meaningless and should never be relied on alone.
So what is this warning...warning you of...it certainly is not an advisory...which in my opinion would be stronger evidence of potential risk.
So for example the UK government has advisorys against travelling to areas of risk....what is that alert advising you? Don't go? Be aware of risk of these crimes? What about likelihood in certain areas? It's ambiguos (sp) in my opinion. But let me be clear, I'm not saying I'm right, this is just my opinion.
TAH....you totally missed my point by thinking Im referring to selling ganja..I wasnt...neither am I about to be more specific with that statement on a public forum than I have been. Some may have more of an insight to what I actually alluded to.
And yeah I'm quite aware that selling Ganga and scamming are different, but thanks for sharing that info.
Rg....I'm not sure about the philosophising which I felt was in response to some of my points.
Life is change? ... Who you telling... That is an obvious fact no one can argue with anywhere.
A lot of the other facts you refer to I don't doubt ... But there are many in negril, and I know in Hanover,who still view dudus as a god....around the island....his ' care' for the poor is still viewed as better than what the government does for them. I'm not agreeing, but can understand the impact someone like him as on people with nothing and no hope of escaping from a life of nothing.
Of course there has been a long history of gangs in negril. There is still a divide between the red ground and west end communities....even without conflict there is a very strong sense of identity that sets them apart....but not unusual or unique to negril or jamaica really.
I'm not getting in to discussing the Malta gang on a public forum either. I could discuss lots about that..but im not reckless.
I think your right about Kingston men, but I think that is more evident in mobay, hence the events that are going on there....makes negril look like a tea party.
I know lots of folk in Hanover....mother in laws side is up there...and many won't go near Mobay for fear of robberies and violence.
The thing is with negril everyone knows everyone a little or a lot...so they know who and what is going on really.....and it's not something they are going to discuss with any non jamaican easily.
the young ones are fed up for sure....and when I mentioned the increasing attitude of JOP in another thread a while ago it didn't resonate with anyone...
I agree with your statement about the young ones of negril doing a lot of the crimes...the scamming has been integral to what has been happening. But they aren't that young either, mostly 25 plus..
What is interesting to me is what has caused this tidal wave of change where tourists are regularly being robbed in tourist areas, which in the past would have been a huge no no, for fear of repercussion from the police...and negril getting a bad name where tourists are afraid to visit. That was the ethos that I was familiar with for a long while...
And an earlier point about not all people who have been victims of crime in negril come on the forums to share their story....how can that be quantified really...it gives a false impression because it has no factual basis. It has to be based on information that is first hand and factual...or even if someone shares that they know someone personally who was a victim of crime, then for me that would have validity...but to roll on ' I heard ' information from forum to form and Facebook is not a true reflection of real facts.
But now you mention it, my question would be what is the breakdown of those stats? Area ie parish figures....and how much of those crimes were against tourists...given my other question of how many tourists report crimes against their person. I was always taught that stats without anecdotal evidence can sometimes be meaningless and should never be relied on alone.
So what is this warning...warning you of...it certainly is not an advisory...which in my opinion would be stronger evidence of potential risk.
So for example the UK government has advisorys against travelling to areas of risk....what is that alert advising you? Don't go? Be aware of risk of these crimes? What about likelihood in certain areas? It's ambiguos (sp) in my opinion. But let me be clear, I'm not saying I'm right, this is just my opinion.
TAH....you totally missed my point by thinking Im referring to selling ganja..I wasnt...neither am I about to be more specific with that statement on a public forum than I have been. Some may have more of an insight to what I actually alluded to.
And yeah I'm quite aware that selling Ganga and scamming are different, but thanks for sharing that info.
Rg....I'm not sure about the philosophising which I felt was in response to some of my points.
Life is change? ... Who you telling... That is an obvious fact no one can argue with anywhere.
A lot of the other facts you refer to I don't doubt ... But there are many in negril, and I know in Hanover,who still view dudus as a god....around the island....his ' care' for the poor is still viewed as better than what the government does for them. I'm not agreeing, but can understand the impact someone like him as on people with nothing and no hope of escaping from a life of nothing.
Of course there has been a long history of gangs in negril. There is still a divide between the red ground and west end communities....even without conflict there is a very strong sense of identity that sets them apart....but not unusual or unique to negril or jamaica really.
I'm not getting in to discussing the Malta gang on a public forum either. I could discuss lots about that..but im not reckless.
I think your right about Kingston men, but I think that is more evident in mobay, hence the events that are going on there....makes negril look like a tea party.
I know lots of folk in Hanover....mother in laws side is up there...and many won't go near Mobay for fear of robberies and violence.
The thing is with negril everyone knows everyone a little or a lot...so they know who and what is going on really.....and it's not something they are going to discuss with any non jamaican easily.
the young ones are fed up for sure....and when I mentioned the increasing attitude of JOP in another thread a while ago it didn't resonate with anyone...
I agree with your statement about the young ones of negril doing a lot of the crimes...the scamming has been integral to what has been happening. But they aren't that young either, mostly 25 plus..
What is interesting to me is what has caused this tidal wave of change where tourists are regularly being robbed in tourist areas, which in the past would have been a huge no no, for fear of repercussion from the police...and negril getting a bad name where tourists are afraid to visit. That was the ethos that I was familiar with for a long while...
And an earlier point about not all people who have been victims of crime in negril come on the forums to share their story....how can that be quantified really...it gives a false impression because it has no factual basis. It has to be based on information that is first hand and factual...or even if someone shares that they know someone personally who was a victim of crime, then for me that would have validity...but to roll on ' I heard ' information from forum to form and Facebook is not a true reflection of real facts.