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letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - Printable Version +- Jamericans (https://jamericans.net/yellowboard) +-- Forum: Jamaicaholics (https://jamericans.net/yellowboard/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Message Board (https://jamericans.net/yellowboard/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Thread: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit (/showthread.php?tid=100863) |
RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - TAH - 03-14-2015 word. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - rastagirl777 - 03-14-2015 "Im doing the slow clap" Me too! That was a BRILLIANT rant!!!! (A bit "hysterical" but brilliant none the less) Some thoughts...then I'll keep my "horseshit opinion & "agenda" (WHAT AGENDA LOLOLOLOL!) to myself: "instead of admitting you used it incorrectly, much as you disregard the current situation in Negril in an attempt to add value to your opinion." I didn't use it incorrectly but I did cop to the fact that it might not have been the "best" word to use. In case you don't "get it" the above use of the word "hysterical" was meant to be sarcastic. "In fact, if believed it puts many people in harm’s way, because it is total BS." I'm not sure I understand how I'm putting people in "harms way" by expressing an opinion that the chances of tourists being gunned down is slim. Please clarify. "perhaps a little vigilante group needs to be formed to eradicate these low-life criminals." Let me know when you organize that and how it goes. When my friends house was robbed 5 years ago the entire neighborhood was out in the bush looking for the thieves. Is THAT the kind of "vigilante" group you are talking about? If so, I guess my neighborhood has a neighborhood "watch". Things are really not good in Negril right now, I have never denied that and never will. I have friends that I love that live there full time, I'm living there 3 months a year - so this apparent escalation in crime, especially gun violence disturbs me deeply. But I'm a lover, not a fighter so I'll take a page from my friend Audrey's book and continue to write letters to all that SHOULD care...because that's actually something proactive that I can do. Meantime, I'll be back next winter, with my friends and community. Others may choose different vacation plans - but I won't. DN. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - Tim - 03-15-2015 (03-14-2015, 02:50 PM)TAH Wrote:(03-14-2015, 01:15 PM)rastagirl777 Wrote: "If it were truly only on Lime sreet that would be different but problem appears to be broader than just that one lane/street since you even mentioned problems on the beach unless I misread." She doesn't live there either. Because I haven't been travelling there for 30 years, and don't vacation there for what is it- 2, no 3, no 2 1/2 months a year for the last 12 years, my opinion doesn't mean shit, apparently. We have thoroughly enjoyed all our trips to Jamaica and will most likely return, but I stand by my words from weeks ago - its only a matter of time before an innocent traveller takes a stray bullet. Like I said, handguns aren't built for accuracy. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - Tim - 03-15-2015 (03-14-2015, 05:13 PM)IJ Wrote: " That to me is "hysterical", Webster definition aside. " RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - TAH - 03-15-2015 (03-15-2015, 12:00 AM)Tim Wrote:(03-14-2015, 02:50 PM)TAH Wrote:(03-14-2015, 01:15 PM)rastagirl777 Wrote: "If it were truly only on Lime sreet that would be different but problem appears to be broader than just that one lane/street since you even mentioned problems on the beach unless I misread." I know. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - JamaGinger - 03-15-2015 I don't know if everyone saw this article from a few weeks ago ( http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20150225/negril-woman-killed-lotto-scam-related-shooting ), but it points to the influx of criminals to Negril because of the lottery scam. As a long-time visitor (not as long as many), I remember when I first saw the "Dan Rather Reports" story about the lottery scam and became very alarmed and honestly quite stunned by what was going on. I have tried to keep up with what the Jamaican authorities have attempted to do the stop the lottery scam, but it appears it continues to be at the root of many issues in Jamaica. It just shows that greed, as is the case with numerous concerns in the U.S., is very likely at the heart of the growth of the criminal element in Negril. Rastagrl has pointed out several times that things started to change in Negril once the new road opened up the area. Perhaps this is true. It makes the area more accessible to the criminals. And, since it is a beautiful beach area, naturally these nouveau riche scammers want to be there. I will never forget reading one newspaper article about the scammer who had so much cash, he was burning it for fire wood. Whatever the reason, I personally have noticed more criminal-seeming personalities there. As I have been reading all of these comments about the situation, I have hoped that it was just another "wave of concern" which might too pass as the others have previously. But, when the U.S. Embassy posts alerts like the following, it makes me believe this isn't going to fade away like the rest. What was interesting about the below link was the gentleman who has the "other" message board seemed to be discounting the below alert. I never did quite make out his point. http://kingston.usembassy.gov/travelalerts05032015.html I don't know what the Jamaican authorities will do to stop the rise of the criminal element there. My fear is that they will feel the need to become so aggressive that many innocent Jamaicans will fall victim to their attempts to stop the rise of crime. I pray for the Jamaican people that this criminal ulcer growing within the society will be stopped and soon. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - JamaGinger - 03-15-2015 And, in fairness, I should point out that I would never have seen the Embassy alert had the gentleman not posted it himself, so he definitely deserves the credit for posting it. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - rastagirl777 - 03-15-2015 I finally found that "alert". Didn't know embassies can do that...the way it read to me was kind of like an ongoing thing - if you are on-island be careful? Nothing from the State Department, not in a year now. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - rastagirl777 - 03-15-2015 BUT...I will say this - if you are a victim of crime there or anywhere foreign, report it to the embassy. I have a feeling that is what might have prompted that alert. RE: letter to Observer - Cancelled Negril visit - Westenders - 03-15-2015 There has been a massive crackdown on the lottery scammers over the last couple of years. Western Union even temporarily closed all their offices in the St. Ann parish because it got so bad. WU are working closely with the JA govt on this. One of the measures was to introduce a requirement that a TRN number is required to collect money, so the govt could monitor incoming money, and see where it could be collecting taxes. Food for thought here, but what if the crackdown has meant that crime has risen in negril, as scamming funded a lot of people, not just the fat cats. You used to see lines round the building at HiLo a couple of years ago, no exaggerating. Also all the scammers in St.ann will have had to spread their collectors out into other parish offices. The scammers used to pay a little to anyone they could get to collect the money from the WU, their neighbour, uncle, great grandmother, three legged dog.....and this is what the girl may have been doing who got shot. The scams then brought an extra cycle of violent crime, that general tourists will probably not have been aware of...I myself have seen enough local men hanging in that car park waiting to rob one of these collectors. I know that for a first hand fact. They in turn would then be shot for robbing that money. I also know of quite a few of these shootings...as in know the person who is now dead..not heard it on the grapevine. The drive by shooting I witnessed a couple of years ago was for this exact reason. Young Man face down in the dirt with a bullet hole in his cheek and his shin bone sticking out of his leg from another shot. He had robbed a collector ... And the next man in line came after him. 100 yards from negril police station...did they come out and investigate or even help?? What do you think!! Last couple of visits I see a lot of the guys in the area and over in Hanover and Sav way who used to live life large on lottery scam profits...they are now broke, due to the crackdown..struggling and suffering as they say. So what do some of these people do, who are used to getting foreign level money?? They try and get foreign level money a different way....and the beat goes on!! What I can't seem to see in a lot of these alleged robberies though, except for a few is people talking about their own experience, rather than on the Internet drum..not a lot of specifics....and too many people starting their posts with "I heard"...and only a couple saying they made official reports to the police...no point talking to the tourist police. They work for guardsman so are just glorified security officers. Great point about victims of crime should be reporting what happened to them to their countries embassy in jamaica, maybe that's that way, accurate crime recordings can be accrued that aren't subject to the usual corruption, then hopefully political pressure by our embassy's can be applied to the area politicians and policing team....and maybe things can improve....or maybe it will get worse. I agree with RG that we should also be contacting the relevant organisations in negril...chewing the fat in here is not going to change much....the other guy reckons his site is per used by those authorities / organisations...no wonder they don't think there is any tourist concern....even TA has left a thread up! |